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February 1st, 2006, 12:28 pm

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Thank you AnarChy. I have started downloading Fedora. I am new to Linux and know nothing about it.
Thanks for helping me on this.

no prob that's why i'm here.

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What's missing in Fedora that I would have learned from Red Hat 9.0?

how to write your own device drivers and software lol but really, its not like redhat 9 is better than fedora. if that was the case, then the purpose of fedora would be completely defeated and the developers working on it would have a pointless job. also whats missing is the frustration of things not working and having no clue why, but the actual reason being that RH9 just plain old doesn't support your hardware (probably, i have no clue what your hardware is). but as far as i'm aware, anything that you could have done in RH9, you can do in Fedora. plus you can do more as theres more updated and new software available for Fedora that just doesn't exist for RH9.

if you're interested in Unix i'd suggest also installing PC-BSD: http://www.pcbsd.org , it's based on FreeBSD (which actually IS a version of unix) and the default install comes with KDE so you're not stuck at a command line without a desktop going "uhhh.....so, what do i do now?" lol the install for it is extremely simple too. pretty much you tell it your keyboard setup (country/language) and your networking info, and then setup a user at the end of the install and thats it. lol

what you may want to do is dual boot PC-BSD and Fedora if you have enough space on the hard drive. that way you could get a taste of both Unix and Linux at the same time :]

February 1st, 2006, 12:48 pm

Thanks, AnarchY.

My system is a Toshiba,Intel Celeron 1.5Ghz,256MB, 20GB Hard drive,32mb video.

I have 3 partitions in my pc and have Windows in D and had planned to install Linux in E (which has 8GB).
So, I have to split E into 4gb each to have Unix and Linux installed having 3 OS in one PC.

So, is PC-BSD's interface and commands pretty much similar to UNIX?

In that website,
# PC-BSD CD #1 (System install CD - Required)
# PC-BSD CD #2 (Multi-language support)
# PC-BSD VMware Image
# 1.0-rc2 Release Notes
# 1.0-rc2 Changelog

I see these options to install. Which one am I actually supposed to download and install?

February 1st, 2006, 8:03 pm

eh, if you only have 8GB total available to linux/unix, i wouldn't split it up into two partitions. for the fedora install its going to be about 2.5 - 3.5 GB alone so 4GB wouldn't work out very well, lol. although i believe the PC-BSD install is only around 1GB.

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In that website,
# PC-BSD CD #1 (System install CD - Required)
# PC-BSD CD #2 (Multi-language support)
# PC-BSD VMware Image
# 1.0-rc2 Release Notes
# 1.0-rc2 Changelog

well if your main language is NOT english and you need multi-linugual support, download PC-BSD CD #1 & 2. however if your main language or preferred language is english and you dont want / need support for any other language, the only thing you NEED to download is PC-BSD CD #1. and i suggest downloading it from one of the mirrors they list, not one of the main sites as the main sites will only go at about 75 - 115 KB/s, and the mirrors will go more around 250 - 450KB/s (you just have to find a mirror that will allow it). at least i believe thats how it went. i'm not entirely positive because i downloaded the iso onto my other computer while i was installing something on my main computer so i couldn't monitor the download speed lol. but i do remember that their two main download sites are slow...

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So, is PC-BSD's interface and commands pretty much similar to UNIX?

PC-BSD IS unix.

February 1st, 2006, 8:21 pm

Thanks Anarchy.

Well, to do some certification, people advice me to use Redhat linux for preparation instead of Fedora (as Redhat is the currently used application for professional purpose). Advice me on installing Red Hat Linux 9 and UNIX with 8gb hard drive space. Is it feasible? If yes, how? If not, what shouldn't I do?

I can start using Fedora once I get my certification, but right now I would rather use something which is used in the Industry as I am anyway going to be taking UNIX certification, so I thought may be I can learn Linux which is commercialized.

Advice me if I were wrong.

February 1st, 2006, 11:31 pm

i believe what they're referring to is the "paid for" version of redhat, RedHat Enterprise: http://www.redhat.com/en_us/USA/rhel/

but all linux distro's come with the option to install a bootloader for switching between operating systems. i dont like PC-BSD's bootloader, its too simple and ugly. lol so what i'd do is separate the 8GB into two partitions (either using windows, qtparted, or some such similar software which may be found at http://www.thefreecountry.org/utilities ... tors.shtml and other similar sites) and then first install PC-BSD followed by RedHat/Fedora. after PC-BSD's installation its not absolutely necessary to install its bootloader unless there's going to be some time inbetween then and when you install RedHat/Fedora.

February 2nd, 2006, 7:23 am

Anarchy,
Now that I have decided to format my whole system without making any compromise. I will be having 20GB now. Now tell me how many partitions I have to create so that I can use Windows, PC-BSD, Red Hat Linux 9 and Fedora(if possible)

And what would be the order or installation?

(For example, I read in the Linux Complete reference that, Linux Red Hat's boot installation should be in the first 8.4GB in the hard drive.)

BTW, Mine is a laptop and it doesn't have floppy drive for creating boot disks. Are Floppy disks a must for using Linux or PC-BSD?

February 2nd, 2006, 7:55 am

i've never used a floppy disk. cd's can be boot disks too.
so this depends on if you want to install 3 OS's or 4. i'd suggest 3 max with a 20GB hard drive. you may even want to look around on like, ebay for a larger laptop hard drive. i almost have 20GB in music, lol. ANYWAYS, the first thing you need to install is windows. when you go do to that, it'll want you to create a partition for windows but the default is to use the entire hard drive. tell it to use 8GB (or 8x1024 MB, 1024MB = 1GB). once that's installed boot in to windows. PC-BSD is weird and formats all of the remaining hard drive space with the BSD filesystem even if you choose to only use a smaller portion of the hard drive. so what we're going to do, is create another partition for RedHat so that PC-BSD won't use all of the space, but we're going to create it in windows and modify it later.
so in windows, go start > right click on "My Computer", and choose manage. in the window that appears, in the section titled "Storage" click "Disk Management". the right side of this window will now be in 2 sections displaying your hard drive, the top section being textual information and the bottom being more of a graph. in the bottom section, it should say something like (C:) 8GB NTFS | Unpartitioned Space. Right click on the unpartitioned space and choose create partition, make this partition 7GB and if it wants to format the partition, there should be a checkbox or a menu item that has the option to do a quick format. choose that as this will be your fedora partition and we dont really care what M$ has to say about it anyways :] once you've done this there should be 5GB of unpartitioned space left. reboot your computer with the PC-BSD disk in your cd rom drive and boot from that. the installation doesn't take long, maybe 10 minutes? when your in PC-BSD tell it to use 4GB of the free space. it will want to create a swap partition which we'll use the remaining 1GB of free space for. towards the end of the installation (after all of the software has been installed) it'll have the option to install the bootloader, which isn't necessary as next we're going to install Redhat and that will have a bootloader so really itd be pointless to do this but if you're not planning on installing Redhat right away - go for it. it's not going to hurt anything if you do choose to install it. so now that PC-BSD is installed, we want to install Redhat. I've never personally installed redhat, i started with Fedora Core 3 so this installation i'm unfamiliar with, but for the partitioning you're going to want to create a custom partitioning scheme and delete the 2nd windows partition (it should physically be the second one shown) and create a new partition with mount point: / . use the already created swap partition (i'm not sure if you're going to have to tell it to do this or not) but once you've done this continue with the installation and you're good to go. the bootloader should detect your currently installed operating systems.
if you have any problems, post away :]

February 2nd, 2006, 8:04 am

Wow, That's way lot of information. Thanks Anarchy. I have to run it tonight to see i if I succeed in this operation.
I am planning to test Linux in 2 laptops by installing Linux Server on one and the Workstation version on the other. On the laptop where I install Server version, Can I install Windows too or is it not going to allow me to install other OS?

February 2nd, 2006, 11:53 am

yes, you can install another OS.

the most important thing, is that if you're going to install windows:
*!* Install Windows before Linux *!*
the reasoning for this is all in the bootloader. the bootloader is what allows you to switch between operating systems. windows has a "bootloader" which is just as much of a joke as 64-bit computing in windows (thats currently a very big joke, lol). and that can only boot between different versions of windows. so if you tried modifying it to allow you to boot linux, ... , well thats just no possible. lol but when you install windows, it installs this to the MBR (Master Boot Record) and then getting BACK in to linux is something someone with more seasoned abilities needs to do. when you install linux, it also installs a bootloader to the MBR but this bootloader has the ability to detect your other operating systems and will allow you to boot between them (as an example, i currently have Windows XP, Fedora Core 5 test 2, and SimplyMEPIS installed and am downloading SuSE 10.1 Beta 2 )

mm...i believe i covered what was asked? let me know if not, sometimes i go on tangents and accidently leave things out.. lol

February 2nd, 2006, 12:41 pm

Thanks, AnarChy.

So, no matter whether it is Linux Workstation or Server, the first install would be Windows. Let me try tonight to see what happens.

I will keep you poste on this, Archy

February 2nd, 2006, 2:07 pm

Actually, I think you *need* to get stuck at a command line trying to figure out what to do next a few times.

I'd recommend CentOS - it's basically RedHat Enterprise Linux for free. When you get to a corporate network you'll almost definitely see RHEL. I'd also suggest you install the minimal installation (you only need the first CD for this) and build up your GUI from the CLI - this will invariably teach you something of how *nix works. If you really want to go nuts, download the source for everything you need, build RPMs from them and use those rather than "yum install package" - this is the "right" way to install packages on an Enterprise level RPM-based distribution. Even if you don't use CentOS, you can do this with Fedora as well - Fedora is the testbed for the next version so this is a viable option as well.

You don't need something user friendly at this point. You're not going to learn anything about the internal system if all you have to do is open firefox and thunderbird - which you could do in Windows anyway. If you really want to learn, you need to experience the command line. This is where all the power lies in Linux, not with the pretty graphics.

If you're going to get a BSD, just get FreeBSD - for much of the same reasons. It may not be as "easy", but it will teach you more about the underlying system. Some other Distributions that are good for this include Slackware, Gentoo and Debian.

If you do happen to install Windows after linux - destroying your Linux bootloader, all you need to do is boot up the Linux install CD and select the "Repair" option. This will take you to a screen where you can reinstall the bootloader. There's a much more involved method of doing this as well which can be performed from any Linux bootable disc (CD or floppy), but I'll leave that alone for the moment.

February 2nd, 2006, 2:33 pm

this213,

So, You want me not to install Linux RH 9.0 and install CentOS?

I have the book only for Linux RH at this point where if I have any problems, I thought I can redo the steps.
How different is CentOS from RH9?

this213 wrote:

Actually, I think you *need* to get stuck at a command line trying to figure out what to do next a few times.]

I'd recommend CentOS - it's basically RedHat Enterprise Linux for free. When you get to a corporate network you'll almost definitely see RHEL. I'd also suggest you install the minimal installation (you only need the first CD for this) and build up your GUI from the CLI - this will invariably teach you something of how *nix works. If you really want to go nuts, download the source for everything you need, build RPMs from them and use those rather than "yum install package" - this is the "right" way to install packages on an Enterprise level RPM-based distribution. Even if you don't use CentOS, you can do this with Fedora as well - Fedora is the testbed for the next version so this is a viable option as well.

You don't need something user friendly at this point. You're not going to learn anything about the internal system if all you have to do is open firefox and thunderbird - which you could do in Windows anyway. If you really want to learn, you need to experience the command line. This is where all the power lies in Linux, not with the pretty graphics.

If you're going to get a BSD, just get FreeBSD - for much of the same reasons. It may not be as "easy", but it will teach you more about the underlying system. Some other Distributions that are good for this include Slackware, Gentoo and Debian.

If you do happen to install Windows after linux - destroying your Linux bootloader, all you need to do is boot up the Linux install CD and select the "Repair" option. This will take you to a screen where you can reinstall the bootloader. There's a much more involved method of doing this as well which can be performed from any Linux bootable disc (CD or floppy), but I'll leave that alone for the moment.

February 2nd, 2006, 5:36 pm

this213 wrote:

Actually, I think you *need* to get stuck at a command line trying to figure out what to do next a few times.

I'd recommend CentOS - it's basically RedHat Enterprise Linux for free. When you get to a corporate network you'll almost definitely see RHEL. I'd also suggest you install the minimal installation (you only need the first CD for this) and build up your GUI from the CLI - this will invariably teach you something of how *nix works. If you really want to go nuts, download the source for everything you need, build RPMs from them and use those rather than "yum install package" - this is the "right" way to install packages on an Enterprise level RPM-based distribution. Even if you don't use CentOS, you can do this with Fedora as well - Fedora is the testbed for the next version so this is a viable option as well.

You don't need something user friendly at this point. You're not going to learn anything about the internal system if all you have to do is open firefox and thunderbird - which you could do in Windows anyway. If you really want to learn, you need to experience the command line. This is where all the power lies in Linux, not with the pretty graphics.

If you're going to get a BSD, just get FreeBSD - for much of the same reasons. It may not be as "easy", but it will teach you more about the underlying system. Some other Distributions that are good for this include Slackware, Gentoo and Debian.

If you do happen to install Windows after linux - destroying your Linux bootloader, all you need to do is boot up the Linux install CD and select the "Repair" option. This will take you to a screen where you can reinstall the bootloader. There's a much more involved method of doing this as well which can be performed from any Linux bootable disc (CD or floppy), but I'll leave that alone for the moment.

yes - it will FORCE the user to either learn more or fail. but this could be extremely frustrating and make the user reject the *nix experience. its not an absolute that this would happen, i'm just saying if you've never used it before starting off with something more graphical would probably be better so that you can learn the basic commands and structure of the system before you go and compile everything with source and write the bootloader manually (gentoo). and sure - it may not be THAT difficult to reinstall the bootloader..but imho, if its not absolutely necessary then why? lol

mm...i think i'll check out CentOS too. i've seen a little bit about it on distrowatch, but it never perked my curiousity enough to make me want to download it.

February 2nd, 2006, 8:57 pm

Yes, AnarChy. I too thought about the same. I would first play with installing something which is easy and then proceed beyond that.
I have downloaded CentOS and have burned them on CDs already keeping them ready.

One quick question: I am going to install this on my Laptop and my mouse that am using is a USB mouse. My laptop doesn't have a ps2 slot. So, would Linux detect my usb mouse?

February 3rd, 2006, 2:45 am

yes, it does support usb mice. i'm using one myself (this one to be exact ) lol